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    2K Boss: ‘There are too many crappy games on Wii’

    2K boss explains where companies are ‘going wrong’ on Nintendo formats

    The global boss of 2K has predicted that publishers bringing non-licensed games to Wii this year could struggle – as the console’s market is “flooded by crappy titles”.

    Speaking to MCV, Christoph Hartmann said that his company would find it difficult to secure the success it has enjoyed with its Carnival game if it had to release it today.

    He said: “Where people go wrong in the casual market is that, while the development costs are exploding on the casual side, they’re treating the Wii like the old PC market – making cheap, accessible games. They think if they make ten titles and two are hits, they will finance the other eight. “But they forget these eight crappy titles will flood the market and will lead to problems in terms of production – and upset retailers. Also, the consumer will be pissed off because they’ll be confused.”
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    The "Nintendo Seal of Approval" stamp can be earned by filling out paperwork. Nintendo does not have any formal "proof of concept" board to review game ideas. Fill out the paper work, get the approval, then publish. This is the key reason why there are so many awful games for the DS and Wii.

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    Can't say i disagree. Nintendo needs to watch out for all those abysmal games, or the wii reputation will eventually suffer from it... or not. Still, they should try controlling a little better the quality of their games.

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    there are good gamess
    there are bad games
    what system has more than 40 good titles in its life =\

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    Actually.......most of the older popular systems have had at least 40-100 good games. PS2 would be one of the big ones, but I would exclude the Xbox and Gamecube from that list. And of course I'm not speaking of any sega system beyond the genesis.

    The problem is that the wii has the most games on the market in comparison to its rivals, yet it has a lower amount of decent games contradicting that. So the Wii, in terms of capita, has the worst selection of games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demolisho View Post
    Actually.......most of the older popular systems have had at least 40-100 good games. PS2 would be one of the big ones, but I would exclude the Xbox and Gamecube from that list. And of course I'm not speaking of any sega system beyond the genesis.

    The problem is that the wii has the most games on the market in comparison to its rivals, yet it has a lower amount of decent games contradicting that. So the Wii, in terms of capita, has the worst selection of games.
    dont get into a how many good games did ___ have, its Subjective, but come on the ps2 and me i thought 5 games were good, and i played 400+

    =\ it was open ended as i could be

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    Quote Originally Posted by admiral victorinox View Post
    there are good gamess
    there are bad games
    what system has more than 40 good titles in its life =
    Yeah of course every system have it's fair share of good and bad games but the Wii have 3 times as much of the bad games as the good games.

    And just for you, I'll name 40 good titles on the 360 (probably 3-4 times more than the Wii lmao):

    Grand Theft Auto IV
    The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
    The Orange Box
    Halo 3
    Forza Motorsport 2
    Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
    Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas
    Gears of War
    Gears of War 2
    Fallout 3
    Dead Space
    Burnout Paradise
    Rock Band
    Assassin's Creed
    Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
    BioShock
    Perfect Dark Zero
    Dead or Alive 4
    Burnout Revenge
    Project Gotham Racing 3
    Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars
    Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2
    Kameo: Elements of Power
    F.E.A.R.
    Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
    Left 4 Dead
    Far Cry 2
    Fable II
    FIFA Soccer 09
    Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway
    Tales of Vesperia
    Soulcalibur IV
    Battlefield: Bad Company
    Mass Effect
    Virtua Fighter 5 Online
    Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation
    Eternal Sonata
    Prince of Persia
    Pure

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    Yeah of course every system have it's fair share of good and bad games but the Wii have 3 times as much of the bad games as the good games.

    And just for you, I'll name 40 good titles on the 360 (probably 3-4 times more than the Wii lmao):

    1. Grand Theft Auto IV
    2. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
    3. The Orange Box
    4. Halo 3
    5. Forza Motorsport 2
    6. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
    7. Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas
    8. Gears of War
    9. Gears of War 2
    10. Fallout 3
    11. Dead Space
    12. Burnout Paradise
    13. Rock Band
    14. Assassin's Creed
    15. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
    16. BioShock
    17. Perfect Dark Zero
    18. Dead or Alive 4
    19. Burnout Revenge
    20. Project Gotham Racing 3
    21. Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars
    22. Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2
    23. Kameo: Elements of Power
    24. F.E.A.R.
    25. Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
    26. Left 4 Dead
    27. Far Cry 2
    28. Fable II
    29. FIFA Soccer 09
    30. Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway
    31. Tales of Vesperia
    32. Soulcalibur IV
    33. Battlefield: Bad Company
    34. Mass Effect
    35. Virtua Fighter 5 Online
    36. Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation
    37. Eternal Sonata
    38. Prince of Persia
    39. Pure
    i count 39 =x

    but you forget, the wii also have that many more titles DUE to the crappy games, and lets not forget that the wii USES A NEW METHOD TO PLAY GAMES, THAT NO OTHER SYSTEM IS CURRENTLY USING OR USED!
    due to this, the system is buggy, and not as great as it could be, so games arnt as fun... people forget about this =\

    IE CoD5 360 > wii, not only because it has less content due to the fact that the wii is a weaker system, but its easier to play on the 360... thats one thing that hurts it

    the thing i love is i have to defend a system, that everyone is here to hack... but lets look at your list, and remove anything thats not allready established, since the wii is a lot of new and innovations, most of all lets not get into a debate of subjective topics

    you CANT clame that the wii sucks, for everyone because it has a LOT of good games, and original ones, ive played most of those games, and i thought most of them was bad, does that make your pointless right, or mine more right? no... you cant say its all bad, but the AVERAGE GAMER can usually find 40 or so titles they love... but i dont want to see more debate on my coment, unless you can prove how a subjective comment is up for debate, you got no right to coment

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    I hope we don't enter a subjective argument trying to say what games are good and what aren't. I'm not trying to argue the definition of what makes a good/great game. Decent games are considered good by me, great games are just great, and then there are drool games. Anyhow, there were many Par games via popularity for the PS2 for whatever reason, and they were considered good.

    The 360 has more than the previously listed statement I would say. But it still hasn't lived out it's life as a system, so I wouldn't include it at this point in time.

    Anyhow, furthermore on the Wii thing, who cares if the games play differently? Sure Metroid 3 had a great aiming system down, and felt like an FPS should, but more than 60% of the games on it are pure utter garbage. Shovelware. Nintendo needs to fix their seal of approval so crappy games stop coming out as if they were made for windows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    Yeah of course every system have it's fair share of good and bad games but the Wii have 3 times as much of the bad games as the good games.

    And just for you, I'll name 40 good titles on the 360 (probably 3-4 times more than the Wii lmao):

    Grand Theft Auto IV
    The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
    The Orange Box
    Halo 3
    Forza Motorsport 2
    Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
    Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas
    Gears of War
    Gears of War 2
    Fallout 3
    Dead Space
    Burnout Paradise
    Rock Band
    Assassin's Creed
    Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
    BioShock
    Perfect Dark Zero
    Dead or Alive 4
    Burnout Revenge
    Project Gotham Racing 3
    Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars
    Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2
    Kameo: Elements of Power
    F.E.A.R.
    Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
    Left 4 Dead
    Far Cry 2
    Fable II
    FIFA Soccer 09
    Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway
    Tales of Vesperia
    Soulcalibur IV
    Battlefield: Bad Company
    Mass Effect
    Virtua Fighter 5 Online
    Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation
    Eternal Sonata
    Prince of Persia
    Pure

    Dude cmon...... There's some really cheezy games you mentioned here. I think you're trying to stretch it a bit don't you? Far Cry 2 is way over rated and sucks. Halo 3? Ok it's ok but totally copied starseige tribes. Tom Clancy Rainbow 6 is borderline too. You look at how long the 360 has been out compared to the Wii. Sure you'll have more games, but I'll be playing my Wii when you 360 is being sent in for repairs.

    Wii does have some crappy games but hell the price on those crappy games are next to nothing.
    Last edited by ld777; 01-31-2009 at 08:49 PM.

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    ^Everything you've just said is blockheaded bias against Microsoft with nothing but a pure self-created argument. You have no evidence to back up Far Cry being a bad game, only forcing what you "think" is true onto other people.........

    There are good games on both systems, the 360 still has more of them; great, good, and decent. I would say the Wii has more than the PS3 at this point, but who knows what the future holds?

    Wii games costing next to nothing? 10 dollars less for a good game (sometimes, not very many of them), 20 less for a bad game (most the time), and 30 less for the worlds biggest piece of *** you'll put down after you pick it up? Sounds like a waste of money to me.


    And who said ports don't count? I would include RE4 as a good wii game.........

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