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    wiiflow.ini should be in /apps/wiiflow on your hdd if you followed this guide to the letter

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    [QUOTE=Cile;485029]wiiflow.ini should be in /apps/wiiflow on your hdd if you followed this guide to the letter[/QUOTE

    Roger that i will take a shot at it again when i get off work thanke you cile for the help i do appreciate it . and i wish wiihacks a merry xmas

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    Quote Originally Posted by flatline-uk View Post
    a mate of mine tells me that if you format an NTFS drive to FAT32 you will lose a considerable amount of your overall usable storage space. something to do with cluster sizes.
    is this correct or does the formatting utility get round this.

    I'm looking at getting a 1TB WD Elements drive and didn't want to lose a huge amount of space.
    The first thing you need to know about harddrives is that independant of format, the RAW actual capacity is ALWAYS 0.931 of what is advertised.
    Which nicely works out that when something is advertised as 1TB, it always means you should never get more than 931gb out of it.

    For my test, I'm using a "320"gb drive, so the expected capacity is already 297.92gb

    all formatted using under acronis disk director, as primary partitions with no space before or after.

    Bear in mind that these are with 0 files. The "used space" is MBR and file tables that you can never delete.
    And as you use more drive space, that unusable space will increase, as it keeps track of more files, so viewing the usuable space on a empty drive doesn't tell the whole story.

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    NTFS
    Cluster size: 4kb (this is the default cluster size)

    total sectors: 625137281
    boot record: 4KB (8 sectors)
    log file: 8MB (16,384 sectors)

    windows says:
    capacity: 320,070,287,360
    free space: 319,446,347,776
    used space: 77,352,960

    One downside of smaller clusters is higher fragmentation, as files are stored in more clusters.
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    NTFS
    Cluster size: 64kb (the maximum size available)

    total sectors: 625137281 sectors
    boot record: 64kb (128 sectors)
    log file: 512kb (1,024 sectors)

    Windows says:
    capacity: 320,070,287,360 (the same)
    free space: 320,001,671,168
    used space: 68,616,192

    Larger clusers = less overhead used tracking files.
    unfortunately, what this means is that any files smaller than 64kb will use the entire 64kb cluster, which results in less usuable space (but also less fragmentation)
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    FAT32
    Cluster size: 64kb

    total sectors: 625137198 sectors
    boot record: 16kb (32 sectors)
    File allocation table: 18.63MB (38,151 sectors)

    Windows says:
    capacity: 320,031,192,368
    free space: 320,031,096,832
    used space: 65,536 (Yes, only 64kb, not 64MB like NTFS used)
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    FAT32
    Cluster size: 4kb
    (There are strange results using cluster sizes less then 4kb with fat32)

    total sectors: 625137280 sectors
    boot record: 16kb (32 sectors)
    File allocation table: 297.2MB (609,296 sectors)
    (Yes, almost 300B wasted on the file table under FAT32 with a low cluster size.)

    Windows says:
    capacity: 319,446,351,872
    free space: 319,446,347,776
    used space: 4,096B

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    It is worth noting that the "320GB" on the box refers 320,000,000,000
    You'll note that the windows capacity numbers above are actually larger:
    NTFS capacity: 320,070,287,360 (67MB more than "320TB")
    FAT32 capacity: 320,031,192,368 (29MB ore than "320TB")
    Which is why the usable space is a little above the expected 297.92GB

    Your miles may vary depending on hard drive brand.
    A seagate "1TB" and a western digital "1TB" will have a different specific number of bytes, even before formatting.

    The bottom line is that to get the most "free space" from a drive, format it as FAT32 with the largest cluster size possible.
    But there is only a 28mb difference when done on a 320GB drive.


    Once you get your 1TB drive, you can always just repeat this experiment yourself before settling on a particular format.
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    Thanks a lot for the tutorial. My usb flash drive was picky on waht wanted to work with it. I ended up having to use wiiflow and format my drive to wbfs format... no way could I get anything to notice fat32.

    Keep up the good work and thanks once again for the helpful guide.

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    Ugh, ok so I basically just followed the instructions to softmod my wii with the intentions of formating my HDD to FAT32 and using cfg usb loader to load games. I have everything going however when I go to load my game I get the error that says I need a higher ios to start games from a FAT partition such as ios249. When I go to change the ios via homebrew channel as soon as I exit it changes back to ios236 v54321. What did I do wrong here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goang View Post
    Ugh, ok so I basically just followed the instructions to softmod my wii with the intentions of formating my HDD to FAT32 and using cfg usb loader to load games. I have everything going however when I go to load my game I get the error that says I need a higher ios to start games from a FAT partition such as ios249. When I go to change the ios via homebrew channel as soon as I exit it changes back to ios236 v54321. What did I do wrong here?
    This is answered in the FAQ section in the third post. Use the 222 revision of CFG USB Loader and make sure you have hermes cIOS 222 installed. This will boot games from your FAT32 partition.

    What do you mean by "you exit and it changes back to 236" ? What changes to 236? 236 has nothing to do with USB Loaders.
    Damn I suck!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krank View Post
    This is answered in the FAQ section in the third post. Use the 222 revision of CFG USB Loader and make sure you have hermes cIOS 222 installed. This will boot games from your FAT32 partition.

    What do you mean by "you exit and it changes back to 236" ? What changes to 236? 236 has nothing to do with USB Loaders.
    thats with gx only it does that when you launch it through hbc...if it doesnt detect ios249.....i had it come up few times...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cile View Post
    thats with gx only it does that when you launch it through hbc...if it doesnt detect ios249.....i had it come up few times...
    Yeah I know but he said he was using Cfg so I was confused by what he meant.
    Damn I suck!!!!

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    Ok, never mind. I got it everyone... thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    i got mine going with the
    Option 2 -- Full Channels

    Full Channel InstallationNote: See the "EXTRA" section for info on how to install Hermes cIOS222/223 or cIOSx Rev 19 or 20.

    This will install the channel to your Wii's NAND and it will run directly from there. It does not look for a boot.dol. To update it you must uninstall the installed channel and install another revision.

    *I recommend Forwarder Channel and HBC Loading*

    Configurable USB Loader v60

    Download either the 222 or 249 version, not both.

    •IOS222 Version -- Download Cfg Full Channel 222 -- For Hermes cIOS Users
    •IOS249 Version -- Download Cfg Full Channel 249 -- For cIOSX Rev 19 or Rev 20 Users
    •Download Usb-Loader Folder and extract directly to USB:/

    Wiiflow Version 2.1a2

    Download either the 222 or 249 version. Not both.

    •IOS222 Version -- Download Wiiflow Full Channel 222 -- For Hermes cIOS Users
    •IOS249 Version -- Download Wiiflow Full Channel 249 -- For cIOSX Rev19 or Rev20 Users

    •Download Wiiflow Folder and extract directly to USB:/


    the problem i am having is when i exit the game and select wii menu it freezes and then goes to the preloader screen. when i select system menu it freezes and will not let me do anything, i have ot uplug the unit and plug it back in to get the wii to start normal. is there a setting i am missing? why is it doing that? did i do somthing wrong?

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