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    Quote Originally Posted by firequeen View Post
    ok did this tutorial for usb HD, now I am tryingto get a torrent file I opened/expaned on utorrents to the usb HD. I tried to do it and it will not let me save to my usb HD what am I doing incorrectly? is there something else like another partition I need on my HD to do this?

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    For avi you need Fat32 or NTFS for wii games you need WBFS, it's all on the first page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garysa34 View Post
    For avi you need Fat32 or NTFS for wii games you need WBFS,
    Not quite right, FAT32 is great for Wii Games as well.

    I don't know where this "you must have a WBFS" partition to play games on a USB HDD is coming from.

    WBFS is an option, not a requirement, and is prob better than NTFS but not better than FAT32.
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    ok I have the mangr thing but it won't open the torrent file though. Thats what I'm trying to figure out. i did all that with the mgr program but can't get the torrent file to my usb HD. So how do I do that it asks when I coohse the usb if i want to formatt it I press no since we formated it with the tutorial then if says can't place file in this drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lfc4ever View Post
    Not quite right, FAT32 is great for Wii Games as well.

    I don't know where this "you must have a WBFS" partition to play games on a USB HDD is coming from.

    WBFS is an option, not a requirement, and is prob better than NTFS but not better than FAT32.
    Fair enough if you want to use WBFS Manager at the beginning of this thread you need a WBFS partition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garysa34 View Post
    Fair enough if you want to use WBFS Manager at the beginning of this thread you need a WBFS partition.
    There other choices and other Wii Game Managers that support WBFS & FAT32, and maybe they should be offered as options to consider rather the restrictive WBFS being the only one on offer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by firequeen View Post
    ok I have the mangr thing but it won't open the torrent file though. Thats what I'm trying to figure out. i did all that with the mgr program but can't get the torrent file to my usb HD. So how do I do that it asks when I coohse the usb if i want to formatt it I press no since we formated it with the tutorial then if says can't place file in this drive.
    Have you managed to load the WBFS partition onto the left handside of WBFS manager?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lfc4ever View Post
    There other choices and other Wii Game Managers that support WBFS & FAT32, and maybe they should be offered as options to consider rather the restrictive WBFS being the only one on offer?
    Time to get typing and compile a list with pros and cons for each.

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    So, you should have a WBFS-formatted partition to play your Wii games, if you correctly follow the guide, in order to also play homebrew games we already discussed that a little FAT32 partition would be needed. If you are also downloading rar'ed torrent files of games ISOs -you will need an NTFS-formatted partition somewhere in your life-reason is that the game ISOs come as 4.37GB and FAT does not support files >4GB. While Ifc4ever is not incorrect in that a number of USB loaders will now support playing the game ISO directly from FAT or NTFS, the benefit of WBFS format is the space savings and speed of game loading and play. Instead of 4.37GB per game ISO, WBFS removes the junk or zero bits and so games like James Cameron's Avatar will be 1.75GB, NSMB 0.39GB. A 1TB HDD will hold the WBFS Mgr maximum file size of 500 games. It is your choice, using ISOs directly from NTFS or FAT has the advantage of PC familiarity and the disadvantages of slower speed and fewer games on the HDD.

    For now, the other WBFS apps such as ncWBFSTools, WBFS IG, etc are being watched and unfortunately, while the WBFS apps are all based on the core code, there are areas of divergence for good and bad. Bottomline, incompatibilities between the newer apps have already been seen at this early stage of their development-the apps will not always recognize the Wii Game from another WBFS app. This will probably only grow as the developers add new features. Accordingly, a different updated and supported guide would appear to be needed for the other WBFS managers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gen3sf View Post
    So, you should have a WBFS-formatted partition to play your Wii games, if you correctly follow the guide,
    Well just if anyone reads this far, FAT32 supports all scrubbed Wii games, and can be seen & read on Windows, Macs & *Nix machines, WBFS can only be seen under a WBFS programme on certain machines, a very restricteve format.

    Quote Originally Posted by gen3sf View Post
    in order to also play homebrew games we already discussed that a little FAT32 partition would be needed.
    Well to play Wii games, Homebrew games, WiiWare, Movies, AVIs, MP3 music, EMUs & ROMS, only 1 file system supports all that and that is FAT32, there is seriously no need for a WBFS partition. It was only developed as everyone, like you do, has this thing about FAT32 file sizes having to be less than 4GB and being a problem, but like WBFS you download your games on your PC, then copy to your external drive, game managers actually scrub games to FAT32 just as efficient as they do WBFS, there is no difference and in the end no problems on file sizes, and any file larger than 4GB is split into 2GB chunks, the perceived problem of file sizes never actually materialised.

    Quote Originally Posted by gen3sf View Post
    If you are also downloading rar'ed torrent files of games ISOs -you will need an NTFS-formatted partition somewhere in your life-reason is that the game ISOs come as 4.37GB and FAT does not support files >4GB.
    But that is what your PC is for, you don't download torrents to your WBFS drive do you, you transfer them form your PC to your USB HDD, just the same way for both systems, no different there so file sizes again is irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by gen3sf View Post
    While Ifc4ever is not incorrect in that a number of USB loaders will now support playing the game ISO directly from FAT or NTFS, the benefit of WBFS format is the space savings and speed of game loading and play.
    There is no difference in space saving, speed of game loading time and both file system scrub games, so I am not talking about ISOs here, I am talking about scrubbed games on an external USb drive in a FAT32 file system, please be aware things have moved on since this guide was wrote.

    Quote Originally Posted by gen3sf View Post
    Instead of 4.37GB per game ISO, WBFS removes the junk or zero bits and so games like James Cameron's Avatar will be 1.75GB, NSMB 0.39GB.
    Exactly the same size on both systems WBFS & FAt32 both scrub games to exactly the same reduced size.

    Quote Originally Posted by gen3sf View Post
    A 1TB HDD will hold the WBFS Mgr maximum file size of 500 games. It is your choice, using ISOs directly from NTFS or FAT has the advantage of PC familiarity and the disadvantages of slower speed and fewer games on the HDD.
    There you mention ISO sizes again, as I keep repeating, you get the same number of games on a 1TB FAT32 drive as you do with a WBFS drive, and managing FAT32 is much, much easier and less hassles when on a PC.

    Quote Originally Posted by gen3sf View Post
    For now, the other WBFS apps such as ncWBFSTools, WBFS IG, etc are being watched and unfortunately, while the WBFS apps are all based on the core code, there are areas of divergence for good and bad.

    Bottomline, incompatibilities between the newer apps have already been seen at this early stage of their development-the apps will not always recognize the Wii Game from another WBFS app. This will probably only grow as the developers add new features. Accordingly, a different updated and supported guide would appear to be needed for the other WBFS managers.
    But now there is no reason to go down the WBFS route, it is a restrictive format (hence all the apps trying to be tweaked & invented) only good for 1 thing, games on a Wii, it offers nothing else, with FAT32 you get the same number of games, and anything else you want to throw on it. One single drive, one single partition, no hassles in having to go through all the problems of partitions & primary & active etc.

    I hope I have helped to persuade you that your perception of FAT32 & file sizes is actually something that need not be a problem, and hopefully I will get an alternative guide up & running shortly.

    Game Managers & USB Loaders all work the same on a FAT32 as do all the other things I mentioned above, and if anyone has any further questions then please keep asking, imo there is a better way than WBFS as hopefully I have now shown
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    No problem with you using the other methods, but I think you mistake the purpose of this guide-it was and is meant as an add-on or continuation of the softmod guides. Specifically, dogeggs's softmod guide offers under the Options area, WBFS Manager and USB Loader GX, but no guide. This is the continuation guide. There is no problem with creating other guides as needed, but this guide is in concordance with the current oftmodding guides.

    I think we will disagree on the compressed/scrubbed ISOs, for now. Some differences of approach are based on the audience to be served-some of the core recommendations are indeed conservative but that is intentional. Due to the diversity of the 400,000 member community that is served on this site over time, we have to try to minimize the differences and recommendations-example DVD-R Verbatim, Taiyo Yuden and RiTek-some Wiis can handle anything one throws at it, others only the Verbatim. So, overtime, we learn to focus on only what seems to work for as many as possible with a few variations as possible.

    The "restrictive" WBFS Manager and USB HDD compatibility lists ensures the most problem-free install for as many members as possible. Not to say that won't change as now more Wiis will be using HDDs, more apps, more consistency etc. For today, this guide meets a specific purpose-maybe one that won't be there next week or next month.

    Now, back on-topic, please and thank you for your observations.
    Last edited by Gen3SF; 02-05-2010 at 11:19 AM.

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