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    Canadian Copyright Consultations Launch

    As a consumer of digital media and electronics you stand to be greatly impacted by changes to Canada's copyright regime. Fortunately, the Government wants to hear from consumers and creators alike so that the interests of all Canadians can be taken into account. Until September 13, 2009 you can participate in the recently launched government consultations on copyright by visiting and registering for an upcoming townhall meeting, webcast or by making a submission via email.
    If we do not voice our concerns en masse we run the risk of having a draconian system of copyright rules imposed upon us. Imagine living in a country where corporations dictate how you consume information and media and utilize technology. Canadians need to speak out against such proposals and push for greater flexibility in the law to provide a balanced, fair approach on digital reforms. To that end, Michael Geist has just launched The site is designed to inform and help foster greater participation by bringing together online discussion (ie. the Twitter #copycon stream), postings, videos, news reports, etc.
    The Canadian Coalition for Electronic Rights has also updated its letter wizard allowing you to easily submit your concerns in both official languages directly to the government copyright consultations as well as those minsters responsible for modernizing Canada’s Copyright Act.

    Consultations sur le droit d'auteur

    En tant que consommateur de media numérique et électronique, vous êtes touché par les changements du régime de droit d’auteur canadien. Heureusement, le gouvernement désire entendre la voie des consommateurs et des créateurs, afin que les intérêts de tous les canadiens soient prit en compte. Jusqu’au 13 septembre 2009, vous pouvez participer à la consultation publique sur les droits d’auteur que le gouvernement vient de débuter, en visitant le site Vous pouvez aller en personne dans les assemblés publiques ou être présent dans la diffusion simultané sur le web, ou a tout le moins exprimer votre position par un message ou email.
    Si nous ne nous faisons pas entendre, nous risquons de nous faire imposer un système de droit d’auteur draconien. Imaginez vivre dans un pays où les corporations dicteraient la façon dont vous devez utiliser vos media et les technologies qui si rattachent. Les canadiens et québécois doivent se lever pour contrer ce type d’approche proposée dans la reforme des droits d’auteurs, et afin d’exiger des lois flexibles pour un obtenir un juste équilibre. A cette fin, Michael Geist a fait le lancement du site Ce site permet d’informer et d’encourager le plus de participant à discuter en ligne (par le flux Twitter #copycon), de rapporter des nouvelles, des commentaires, des videos, etc.
    La coalition canadienne pour les droits numérique a aussi mis à jour la lettre que vous pouvez envoyer en français ou en anglais, directement au comité de consultation des droits d’auteurs et aux ministres responsables de la modernisation des droits d’auteurs canadiens.
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    2009 Canadian Copyright Consultation Details

    Tue, Jul 21st, 2009

    posted by CCER

    As promised the Canadian Government has put into place some details for its nationwide consultation on copyright modernization. The official website has been launched, ironically running on open source software, reminding one of the old idiom, actions speak louder than words. Not the most pleasing website ever seen, nor the most technically advanced, lets hope what it lacks in usability is made up for in content and effectiveness.
    The website proves to be a decent clearinghouse for its calendar of events, most notably the Round Tables and Town Halls. While criticism is emerging regarding the closed-door, invitation only Round Table sessions, one can only hope the audio and video from these sessions will be released in their entirety to make up for this lack of transparency. Regarding the Town Halls, while Clement had indicated that the consultations would be coming to ‘a pasture near you’ turns out that unless your pasture backs onto Toronto or Montreal, the Town Hall will not be so near you and your only option will be an email submission or webcast participation.
    Although the Conservative Government is to be commended for seemingly making an effort to consult on copyright, a number of concerns remain. For instance reports that the government intends on fast-tracking this legislation is very worrisome. There is word that the Government is looking to get a copyright reform bill signed into law before Christmas. Seeing as parliament will not be sitting again until Sept. 14, 2009 this bill would need to successfully navigate multiple readings and committee hearings in both the house and senate prior to being given royal ascent all in less than 3 months, whereas most legislation takes an absolute minimum of 6-8 months.
    So the time is nigh to mobilize the troops. Be sure to post your responses/comments to the topics, register for the Town Halls (Toronto, Montreal) either the webcast or actually attending and submit your formal submission here. Time will tell if Clement and Moore are truly committed to doing things differently, however, if we all speak out we cannot be ignored.

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    Ubisoft Proving That Canada Is Not So Bad After All

    Fri, Jul 10th, 2009

    posted by CCER

    Ubisoft is set to receive a government grant to the tune of $263 million to set up a new game design studio in Toronto. Touted by the Ontario Government as a shift toward more high tech type jobs and projected to add as much as 800 jobs over the next 10 years, however, a number of questions linger. Ubisoft reported a profit last year of $111.5 million, but the Ontario Government feels it can justify sinking $263 million into this company?
    We invite you to draw your own conclusions from the above but do not ignore the fact the Ubisoft is committed to substantial investment and operations in Canada. This then leads to our next question; if Canadian IP laws are really as lax as the ESA, CRIA, CMPDA and IIPA claim them to be, why would one of the largest and most respected games studios in the world want to expand operations and continue investmenting in Canada? After all, the International Intellectual Property Alliance claims:
    Canada, virtually alone among developed economies in the OECD, remains almost entirely out of compliance with the global minimum world standards embodied in the Treaties…To underscore U.S. insistence that Canada finally take action to address the serious piracy problem it has allowed to develop just across our border, and that it bring its outmoded laws up to contemporary international standards, IIPA recommends that Canada be elevated to the Priority Watch List in 2009.
    So does Ubisoft just have a backwards business model? Would a prominent, well regarded and growing video game developer really expand in a country where apparently piracy is the “scourge” causing “considerable economic and competitive damage to Canada’s manufacturing and services sectors and to Canada’s international reputation by the proliferation of counterfeiting and piracy of intellectual property.” Someone is clearly feeding the Canadian public and politicians false information. I would hedge my bets on Ubisoft having this one right and the lobbyists, special interest groups and lawsuit happy IP lawyers continuing to lack real world examples to back their outrageous blame Canada claims.

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    BNN Trying To Silence The Canadian Copyright Debate?

    Tue, Jun 30th, 2009

    posted by CCER

    Over a year ago, following the introduction of Bill C-61 we posted two videos to YouTube relating to Canadian copyright reform. These videos originally aired on the Business News Network formerly Report on Business TV. One video featured Canadian copyright scholar/expert Howard Knopf squaring off against Stevan Mitchell of the Entertainment Software Association (Howard Knopf Coming To The Defense Of Canadian Consumers –
    The second video featured professor Jeremy de Beer sparring with CRIA lobbyist, Barry Sookman over the implications of Bill C-61 (Jeremy de Beer & Barry Sookman On Bill C-61 . On June 22, 2009 YouTube notified us that these videos had been removed citing a copyright complaint from The Business News Network. One of the notifications from YouTube:
    We have received copyright complaint(s) regarding material you posted, as follows:
    * from Business News Network about Howard Knopf Coming To The Defense Of Canadian Consumers
    Video ID: YFFdSJ1R9ZE
    Just a few days prior to our videos being pulled Jesse Hirsh tweeted that YouTube had just pulled one of his videos. A BNN clip which had Jesse taking on a CRIA representative (Jesse Hirsh on RoBTV Regarding BitTorrent ). What was happening? Was BNN demanding every clip posted on YouTube be taken down or were they targeting clips relating to Canadian copyright reform only? A quick search of YouTube would indicate the latter.
    It has been one week since the takedown of three important clips relating to Canadian copyright reform and YouTube still has dozens of live BNN & ROBTV videos
    Given the above evidence one can only assume that The Business News Network’s intended goal is to silence the debate surrounding Canadian copyright reform by suppressing the rebroadcast of clips which may be unfavourable for industry lobby groups. This also leads one to ask if BNN is acting at the request of a third party or at its own discretion. Since it is not evident that BNN is removing ALL of their content from YouTube and since we believe the clips we posted are part of a very important discussion we have reposted the videos:

    UPDATE: Rose Noonan of the Business News Network has provided CCER with clear evidence that BNN is indeed targeting all YouTube content and not just that relating to the Canadian copyright debate. While this is a reassuring development it is at the same time troubling that in a time when many broadcasters are forging partnerships with YouTube BNN has chosen the forced removal of content.
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    Liberals Out of Touch On Copyright In Canada

    Mon, Jun 29th, 2009

    posted by CCER

    It’s a good thing that Industry Minister Clement and Heritage Minister Moore have emerged as ministers who appear to be understanding of the opportunity offered by copyright reform. Both ministers concluded that they are determined to craft laws and polices and that look ahead rather than behind. It seems there is a role reversal underway in Ottawa as the Liberal Party has now concluded the following:
    In relation to a recommendation on copy rights and antipiracy of intellectual property, the Liberal Party of Canada supports the recommendation as follows:
    “That the Government of Canada immediately introduce legislation to amend the Copyright Act, ratify the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) Copyright Treaty (WCT) and the WIPO Performances and Phonograms Treaty (WPPT), amend related acts and ensure appropriate enforcement resources are allocated to combat the scourge and considerable economic and competitive damage to Canada’s manufacturing and services sectors and to Canada’s international reputation by the proliferation of counterfeiting and piracy of intellectual property.”
    Now we may know why the Liberal Party was so quiet on Bill C-61, given the above rhetoric, perhaps C-61 was not ’strong’ enough for their liking. The Liberal Party appears to be mired in the Dion-era, a splintered party that will try any policy direction in a desperate attempt to gain support. As long as Clement and Moore don’t turncoat on their latest indications for policy direction, the Liberals wont get the chance to make lasting copyright decisions anyway.

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    Tony Clement Commits To Consult Canadians On Copyright Reform Summer 2009

    Tue, Jun 23rd, 2009

    posted by CCER

    Industry Minister Tony Clement hosted Canada’s Digital Economy Conference today which brought together 150 of the country’s most notable corporate leaders. Although the demographics of the invited group failed to even remotely represent that of Canada (only 1 of the 18 speakers was female) the event appears to have achieved its primary goal which was to lay the groundwork for a national digital strategy.
    Clement vowed to move forward with several aspects of a digital strategy including privacy legislation, improved broadband availability and most importantly copyright reform. In his closing remarks Clement commented that much has changed since the introduction of Bill C-61.
    When we look at where we were with Bill C-61 for instance on copyright just about a year ago or more than that and where we are now. I think it at least a somewhat different environment, public policy environment, in just the space of a year.
    Most notably the Minister of Industry confirmed that he and the Minister of Canadian Heritage, James Moore will be dedicating at least part of their summer to consulting Canadians on copyright reform. The duo will be traveling to “a city, town, village and pasture near you”. In addition one can only hope that Clement and Moore will also consider using conduits such as Facebook and Twitter to consult all Canadians on copyright reform and how it stands to impact them as consumers and creators.
    Clement has certainly talked the talk, it remains to be seen whether he will walk that walk on this one. There is little doubt some sort of iteration of Bill C-61 will be presented by the Conservatives this Fall, will they learn from the mistakes of the prior Bills and will there be fair and open consultations accessible to every Canadian?

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    Follow The CCER On Twitter

    Tue, Jun 23rd, 2009

    posted by CCER

    You can now follow the Canadian Coalition for Electronic Rights on Twitter. We intend on using Twitter to update Canadians on the latest developments relating to Copyright reform and its impact on your rights as a creator/consumer.

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    Conference Board of Canada Comes To Their Senses And Recalls Plagiarized Report

    Thu, May 28th, 2009

    posted by CCER

    In an move to preserve any shred of credibility it may still have the Conference Board of Canada has decided to recall its Intellectual Property Rights in the Digital Economy report which blatantly copied language from the International Intellectual Property Alliance (software, movie and music lobby in the US).
    Conference Board of Canada Statement
    The Conference Board of Canada has recalled three reports: Intellectual Property Rights in the Digital Economy; National Innovation Performance and Intellectual Property Rights: A Comparative Analysis; and Intellectual Property Rights–Creating Value and Stimulating Investment. An internal review has determined that these reports did not follow the high quality research standards of The Conference Board of Canada.
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    Conference Board of Canada Stands By Their Plagiarized Report

    Tue, May 26th, 2009

    posted by CCER

    Yesterday the Conference Board of Canada was given the opportunity by Professor Michael Geist and the Canadian internet community to restore its integrity by retracting its report entitled Intellectual Property Rights in the Digital Economy which simply regurgitated language from the International Intellectual Property Alliance (software, movie and music lobby in the US). The Conference Board of Canada refused to seize this opportunity and instead chose to stand behind the plagiarized report.
    The Conference Board of Canada stands behind the findings of its report, “Intellectual Property Rights in the Digital Economy”.
    While Mr. Geist charges the Board with lack of attribution in several instances, in fact, only one citation is missing. We have corrected the missing citation in the report and we apologize for the oversight. All other instances, referred to in the blog, include sources. We also acknowledge that some of the cited paragraphs closely approximate the wording of a source document.
    It would seem that a nerve has been struck at the Conference Board of Canada and their attention to this outrage over their plagiaristic actions which were funded by taxpayer money. $15,000.00 of your money to be exact.
    “These are serious allegations. We take any charge of plagiarism seriously,” Rivers[Grahame Rivers, press secretary for John Wilkinson, Ontario's Minister of Research and Innovation] says. “We will be following up and look forward to hear what they [Conference Board of Canada] have to say about this.”
    One can only assume that the shameful report released by the Conference Board of Canada is only a small part of a larger campaign being driven by US and Canadian lobby groups. A campaign intent on making whatever legislation is to follow Bill C-61 more palatable to the masses.

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    Conference Board of Canada’s CTRL + A = Plagiarism

    Mon, May 25th, 2009

    posted by CCER

    Yet again Michael Geist, seemingly one of Canada’s only voices of reason on copyright related issues, has uncovered a rather shameful piece of plagiarism by the supposedly non partisan, non special interest Conference Board of Canada. The Conference Board of Canada recently published a report entitled Intellectual Property Rights in the Digital Economy and as Geist points out the report is:
    a deceptive, plagiarized report on the digital economy that copied text from the International Intellectual Property Alliance (the primary movie, music, and software lobby in the U.S.), at times without full attribution.
    As the Conference Board of Canada claims to uphold a standard of accountabilty, Canadians can make their voices heard and let the Conference Board of Canada know just what they think if this plagiarized, inaccurate tripe:
    Anne Golden, President and CEO of the Conference Board of Canada:
    Stephen Toope, Conference Board of Canada board member:
    Indira V. Samarasekera, Conference Board of Canada board member:
    John Wilkinson, Minister of Research and Innovation:
    Although Canada has come to accept this type of blatant and unsubstantiated ridicule from lobby groups and special interest groups alike, it is completely dis-heartening and downright pathetic to see supposed independent, not for profit Canadian entities taken their marching orders from Washington. One wonders, just how independent and not for profit the Conference Board really is now? Even with the profit, the Board is now irrelevant and meaningless. Now, what will be the next step for the Conference Board? Will they go into damage control mode or will they undermine the work of Canada’s foremost copyright voice and for that matter all Canadians, and simply stick their proverbial heads in the sand? Time will tell, however, time will not repair the lack of credibility will that will now be invoked when one speaks of The Conference Board of Canada.

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    In a Surprising Move The ESA Applauds USTR Special 301 Report

    Thu, Apr 30th, 2009

    posted by CCER

    As expected the Office of the United States Trade Representative released its Special 301 Report today however it includes a special twist this year. Canada has been promoted to the “Priority Watch List”. That’s right, when it comes to the protection of Intellectual Property in the eyes of a biased, lobby dependent, cabinet level position of the US Government Canada now joins the ranks of China, Russia, India and Algeria (just to mention a few).
    The move is not unexpected, given recent comments from Vice President Joe Biden and U.S. Congressional panels as well as the demands from U.S. lobby groups. Those same groups will now dust off their press releases that lament the “embarrassment” of being included on the list (never mind that countries that represent more than 70 percent of the world’s population are on the list) and the failure to introduce U.S.-style reforms (never mind that Canada enacted anti-camcording laws in 2007, introduced C-61 last year, is an original negotiating partner in the ACTA negotiations, joined the U.S. as a third party in the WTO copyright complaint against China, etc.).

    Source: Michael Geist
    So as things ramp up for E3 the ESA’s propaganda machine kicks into high gear so you of course know they issued a press release applauding this move by the USTR about 3 seconds after the Special 301 Report was released.
    Putting Canada on the ‘Priority Watch List’ is a signal of the Obama Administration’s commitment to strengthening global intellectual property protection, and its intent to address this issue firmly with the Canadian government,” said Michael D. Gallagher, CEO of the ESA, which represents U.S. computer and video game publishers. “Canada’s weak laws and enforcement practices foster game piracy in the Canadian market and pave the way for unlawful imports into the U.S.”

    Source: The ESA
    Copyright reforms should be handled by sovereign nations in the normal discourse of their legislative assemblies. Canada has made clear its commitment to protect its intellectual properties. It should not stray from this course because a heavily influenced and lobbied report from another country claims its not pulling its weight. The Special 301 Report is entirely driven by the corporate lobbyists and lacks any dissenting voices of reason outside of US copyright special interest groups. Hopefully our Members or Parliament will listen the voices and concerns of their constituents and not the US corporate lobbyists who have the power of the media and press releases at their disposal. Ministers should ask themselves or be told, could a representation of over 2/3 of the world population really be guilty of comprising the USTR’s ‘Axis of Copyright Evil’?

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    lol. glad im not canadian. id have to read all that if i was.

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    Yes Theta. For the first time I'd have to agree with you

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    I'll deffinelty be reading into this alot more ,,whenI'm not so tired

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    Hahaha, nice headline "speak now... lose our blah blah blah". Stop being so freakin' paranoid! First of all, the Canadian Government is giving every Canadian an oppertunity to make suggestions. This shows that our government isn't 100% sure how they want to proceed, but they realize change must occur. However, they are willing to listen to the people (good government, Harper doing something right... weird).

    Anyways, the reality is, no one knows exactly what might transpire, but it's unlikely the changes will be bad. More likely, we'll see more rights as Canadians, such as the ability to buy a song from iTunes and own it for life, and be able to transfer it to any and all of our devices as many times we want, etc.

    The only concern I have is if the rights are enhanced so much that digital media becomes more limited here because companies might risk losing more money here: for example, if the government says that techniques such as DRM (and all other copy protect stuff) is illegal, making piracy even easier.

    It's great of you to create some awareness, but maybe a more concise approach so people would actually read it. The first bit is all that's needed really, all the other "news articles" seemed a bit much (however, I did gave up reading after a while).

    On an unrelated note, it is cool to know that a "Super Moderator" is a fellow Canadian...

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    It would be just like the Gov't to give us a chance to have a voice and a say and then turn around and completely ignore us and do like they do normally...screw the average canadian with more taxes and more cutbacks on every thing and waste more money on the DAMN OLYMPICS......that could have been put to use some where else.

    Sry I just can't see supporting olympics,,,It's nothing against the athletes or some of the sports....It's just not what it use to be.It's a big cash grab, that will take us residents of BC the next 30 yrs to pay it off... ((((

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkwind25-mcd View Post
    It would be just like the Gov't to give us a chance to have a voice and a say and then turn around and completely ignore us and do like they do normally...screw the average canadian with more taxes and more cutbacks on every thing and waste more money on the DAMN OLYMPICS......that could have been put to use some where else.

    Sry I just can't see supporting olympics,,,It's nothing against the athletes or some of the sports....It's just not what it use to be.It's a big cash grab, that will take us residents of BC the next 30 yrs to pay it off... ((((
    While I'm a fan of the olympics and sports in general, I do have to agree with you on that. Us British Columbians are being screwed big time... but remember, that's more of a provincial thing; this topic with the copyright if federal.

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    This is very important for canadians to get involved in!

    I think we can all agree we do not want laws that prevent us from using the devices we come here to discuss. These laws will definately kill alot of your most trusted sources for modchips making them illegal to sell. ALL the big north american suppliers are canadian, once this law is in place they must either move their businesses elsewhere or shut down completely.

    As a member of the CCER, i urge all Canadians to please use our letter wizard and send off your thoughts to Canada's biggest players in this matter!

    Some of the things that are being proposed and how it will effect you:

    If you buy DVDs abroad…
    …anticircumvention provisions could make it illegal to watch them in Canada. DVDs are published with codes preventing them from being played elsewhere in the world: DVDs from Europe will play only on European players, DVDs from North America will play only in North America, and so on. In practice, many DVD players can circumvent the codes. Hollywood calls this “geofencing”: they use it to segment the market, and think their business model should be legislated through changes to copyright law. If you bring a DVD collection from overseas, it could be against the law to watch the DVDs in Canada.

    If you own a cell phone…
    …unlocking – for example to use it with a different provider when you travel – could be illegal. Uploading or downloading photographs and music from it in ways not approved by your phone company could also be a violation of the law. We believe that the law should not ban circumvention of digital locks if the purpose of that circumvention is legitimate.

    If you are a music fan…
    …you may already be breaking the law when you buy a CD and copy it onto your iPod or MP3 player. Many CDs carry copy protection technology; copying them could carry a large fine. Proponents of fair copyright support expanding Canada’s “fair dealing” provisions to make everyday activities like this legal.

    If you depend on the Internet…
    …you could lose access to it solely on the basis of accusations that you are violating copyright. People depend on the Internet for their work, their studies, to communicate with family and friends, to participate as citizens (even in the government’s copyright consultation). Under proposed so-called “three strikes” or “graduated response” legislation, you could be kicked off the Internet without being charged with breaking the law, or with any proof beyond the say-so of someone who claims you violated their copyright.

    If you buy videos online…
    …you might find one day that you can no longer watch them legally. They could “phone home” over the Internet to ensure they are being used the way their publishers intend. When a publisher goes out of business, content might simply stop playing – and it could be illegal to fix the problem. This has already happened several times in the United States.

    If you are an artist…
    …you might not be able to use clips or quotes of other material. All art draws from existing sources. If the medium you are copying from is protected by a digital lock, it could be a copyright violation to access it even though it is legal to copy it. Parodying or criticizing it would effectively be illegal.

    If you own a computer…
    …you could be forbidden to control the software on your computer. If some of that software implements a digital lock, it would be illegal for you to remove or modify the software. In one case, Sony distributed copy protection software with music CDs. When the CD was opened on a Windows computer, it made changes to Windows that created security holes and violated the privacy of users. Anticircumvention law could make it illegal to tamper with or remove the flawed Sony software.

    If you are a student or educator…
    …you could find your access to materials is regulated in detail. Dr Laura Murray wrote of the previous proposal, “You can show, say, clips of films in an online class as you can in a physical classroom – but you have to destroy the whole lecture after the students write the exam.” You could also find yourself unable to access or share works for educational purposes. Already, publishers place technical restrictions on works they don’t own. For example, your computer could prevent you from copying text from Romeo and Juliet. Technology to circumvent this protection would be illegal even though Shakespeare’s plays are in the public domain.
    Furthermore, you already pay fees as high as 25 cents per page to use material for educational purposes. In the United States, educational usage is exempt. We believe that fair dealing should be broadened to exempt educational use.

    If you are a library user…
    …you could find that libraries are unable to collect many digital materials. Films, music, and other content could be tied to specific computers. Not only might libraries be unable to collect the material, they might be unable to preserve it for future generations. Under the previous proposed bill, when they distribute copies of digital works they would have to ensure there is technology in place to ensure the copies are deleted within five days.
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    I'm not Canadian or anything, infact i'm from the uk
    but still, they are really trying to hammer down on copyrights now.
    At least you get to speak up and vote hey

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