today after a lot of reading i have had great success i have down graded from v3.3e to v3.2e no probs so far i have also installed starfall with no probs just alot of reading lol the eoc tut is very good but must read carefully and follow all instruction both in tut and console ihad to remove cios 249 before i could get ios down grader to work but like i say copy and paste was my friend now every thing seems to work ok thank to the tut by e o c and all the people that took their time to make these apps

thank again darrius