Thanks, but none of that information changes my observations, and in fact that specific information is much of what prompted my observations :)
Originally Posted by gen3sf
I don't mean any ill-will and I do understand that many of you work very hard to help people and advance the collective knowledge. However, sometimes an informed observation from outside the (figurative) box is needed. I understand how the site is organized and how to find information using the search parameters and options and based my observations with that understanding in mind. Any way you cut it, the good information is extremely obsfucated due to the format it is presented in :)
Put some thought into the implementation of adaptable flowchart or answer wizard :)
i agree entirely with stinkymarbles. (please don't get me wrong i love this forum and have learnt loads already and am very aware of the good work done by the moderators and members)
let me explain what i mean. if you have a look you may notice that i signed up a long time ago, but have only now got round to modding my wii. the reason for this is as stmb said. before i hacked my wii i read loads of posts, threads and tutorials but a lot of them contradicted themselves. the search facility is a good idea but some searches brings up hundreds of posts and not always what you're looking for. this obviously made me very nervous to hack as i didn't want to brick my wii. so much so you might also notice from my posts that i brought another wii just in case i bricked my first wii.
had information been put in a better more user friendly format there would have been no need for me to take such drastic actions.
like i said, i'm not knocking it as it's a great and very helpful site. just my two pennies worth
@awiimad-help me to understand your predicament. As I understand it, you signed on to this site with the intention of softmodding your Wii, but could not find the tutorials? Or you did a search and were started off lost among the posts, rather than the tutorials? What gave you pause when you came across the softmod tutorial for 3.1-4.1 Wiis or the guides for softmodding a 4.2 Wii.
I ask because you seemed to have come onto the site knowing you wanted to softmod, rather than others who wander in and do not even know what to call the thing they want to accomplish or sometimes even why to do something. So, I would like to know why the Tutorial and Forum Tabs at the top of the screen and your searches did not help. Thank you.
Originally Posted by gen3sf
yes i did know what i wanted to do and yes they did help me greatly. what the problem for me was on the tutorial threads there where so many 'problem' posts that you could not have been a little confused and aprehensive about it all. just to give you an example. messie's tutorial for 4.2 is great, but if you read some of the following threads and posts you would have thought otherwise.
just to back up my point. i used this guide myself and got stumped a few times. ie it tells you to format your card each time you download the next part, but when you get towards the end, it tells you to install things you don't see (as you've already formated the card at least twice and you have not been told to reinstall the first part again).
please do not take this the wrong way. all i am saying is that for noobs like me it is a very daunting thing to do when you read so many posts which report problematic findings.
i hope this clears things up a bit.
I too came here to "softmod" my Wii (after learning that most of the hardmod options were not good candidates for my LU65) but soon became overwhelmed with the "guides" and the numerous unanswered or ambiguous details regarding the different versions of harware and software from N. The more I read the more concerns I encountered and have had to consult several Wii mod sites to get the needed details. It is not that most of the information is not here, it is that it is almost impossible to sort out given all of the branches in code, hardware and methodology. Sifting through unfamiliar content and trying to discern what is relevenat and what is outdates is pretty hard.
Please note that I have plenty of experience modding numerous technologies from XBOX to DTV and WinMo. I design and build my own microntroller projects and write my own software. The concepts here are not at all foreign to me, it is the lack of details and lack of clearly defined consequences for given a sets of actions that bother me.
In other words, I have learned enough to mod my device, but am not comfortable with the quality of knowledge and/or the big picture with regard to current or future scenarios that will cause a brick.
@awiimad - Thank you. So your problem was with the content of a specific tutorial or rather the nature of posts to a tutorial. As you know, far fewer members post that they had no problem than those who post about issues. Specifically, the 4.2 tutorial was a work in-progress as more information came out about both the damage and bugs of the Nintendo 4.2 update and so messie requested feedback about the problems. The 4.2 tutorials are particularly challenging and yet a triumph in getting it together so quickly with our members able to recover their softmods after the 4.2 damage.
Thank you for your response.
@stinkymarbles - The tutorials and guides are primarily just a step-by-step tutorial to accomplish the stated goal. Members who read the tutorials thoroughly and follow the directions as written do not often encounter problems. Adding the background information in such a guide would be confusing, especially given the number of members who seem to ignore big bolded red text warnings. Once the urgency of getting the softmod done is over, then it is presumed that the members can more leisurely read and learn more about the Wii and the softmod process if so inclined.
More materials of an educational nature have been and will continue to be made available. You will, of course, realize that the modification of the Wii, whether hard or soft, has been an evolving and dynamic process against a background of inhibitory changes by Nintendo. Nintendo has made several forays of system and hardware changes specifically designed to destroy Homebrew, softmod, backup game discs activities, etc. all within about an 18-month period. Each change has resulted in workarounds, changes to tutorials, retirement of old applications or guides in favor of new ones or new versions. Such an environment, while exciting and challenging, does make it difficult to take time to see if sufficient information or applications exist in an area to warrant a primer, a new category, etc. Meeting the needs of a rapidly growing diverse membership is a challenge and one of several project goals of wiihacks staff. Incidentally, the volunteer staff and moderators are themselves a diverse group of individuals residing in countries representing almost all the world continents.
It is not so much a problem with a specific tutorial. The tutorials have a lot of information, but the reader still has to do a lot of research to fill in the gaps and get the "what if questions answered". The noob FAQ helps a lot, as do many of the other sticky posts but some basic information is hard to come by. It is clear that the authors have worked hard to provide step by step instructions, I am not picking on any individual effort.
For example: I still have basic questions after reading numerous guides here and at other sites. They are very basic questions, but concrete answers are just not easy to find.
You have hit the nail on the head without realizing it. The content evolves so quickly that the format that it is presented in makes the content hard to sort out. The relevant informationis burried on dozens (hundreds) of threads. What is valid today, may not be tomorrow :)
In any case, I have chosen to go with the WODE option instead of a softmod. The Wii is brand new and I don't want to run the risk of bricking it. There are too many variables to contend with and too many unkowns for me to be comfortable with moving forward with a softmod. I am looking for a "mod and forget" scenario and it does not appear that softmods fit that profile. Some people enjoy the day to day tweaking needed to keep things running but I have been there and done that with too many devices. The WODE looks like a true "mod and forget" solution that has no chance of bricking the toy and can be removed at will if the need arises, similar to the executor2 in my xbox.
Thanks for the pleasant exchange, it is nice to see that ideas can be discussed without people getting upset.
Yes it is true that softmodding requires a good ammount of "updating" the mod. It's more so for the nerd at heart, as I love constantly tinkering with softmoded consoles. Ever since the advent of online updates and disc updates of the like, softmodding has become a more cumbersome trial. The WODE is a good investment, if it can be made. I myself would love to have a WODE due to the GC ISO loading alone. But I digress, yes the forum has it's problems and can be a cluster sometimes, but take a minute to look at how many members we have at any given time. There is so very little staff who actually know what they are doing to help EVERYONE that has a problem, hence why we close so many threads about something already answered. Also the problems that MOST people have that are posted in the tutorials threads are normally people that didn't follow the guides correctly. You have no idea the ammount of people that can't even understand simple instructions. SO because they have skipped a part, they have basically muffed up their console.
I myself came to this site in october not knowing ANYTHING about the Wii, hell I STILL don't own one of my own. But from the knowledge on this site alone I have successfully modded over 30 consoles with no bricks at all. So I will have to dissagree with you on not being able to find the answers on the forums. I've actually only had to post about 5 times about problems I've had myself, and I have either figured them out on my own, or been told about another guide for my problem. Trust me, even I have had a thread closed on me for asking a question already answered, right dave pm ;)
And gen3sf, I will be resuming my normal schedule come monday, sorry I havn't been around a lot :\
I used to be a member of another forum that no longer exists. The guides were well written and the staff was very helpful. It was not without problems though, the same kind of situations as here just without the 4.2 update and the d2-3 chip to contend with. I never felt like i could contribute in that forum because of the way it was setup. The guides were easy to find but I never knew where i should post a question, or if I should try to answer one. most of the members seemed like experts and even though they were kind to me, It always felt like I was being stupid and I should not have said anything.
Some of the things in this forum may seem confusing to some ppl, but there are alot of us who work hard to make the ppl that try to learn comfortable. If a person doesn't try at all, we don't either. If a person is being vague, what are we supposed to do? I have personally used several of the guides here as reference and to softmod wiis, and felt very comfortable with the way they were written. For the most part it is a follow a step by step procedure, and learn to understand a little as you go along and alot more as you begin to make adaptations to the newer games or updates. It requires patience and risk taking and that is not for everyone.