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    Actually .. there's a very real reason to use only DVD-R's.

    The only LG GDR drives that can READ Wii discs (as it says on my LG GDR-8161b retail box) .. is not made to read DVD+R. (The box says .. it will read most formats EXCEPT DVD+R)

    Since the Wii Drive is basically the same .. you'll probably get better life out of your Wii if you only use DVD-R's.

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    That is what I said but no of course I know nothing so it must be nonsense >.> Why ask a question if you are just going to push away the answer.

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    @Chubbs: Umm... just because your 8161 doesn't read the DVD+R disks doesn't mean that the Wii can't read them.

    I have an 8163 from ages ago (which I had bought long before rawdump or anything of the sort came out) which reads them perfectly. Is that to say that they would base a new Wii drive on an 8161 that can't read DVD+R, or a more recent 8163 that can read them?

    Meanwhile, I have an 8160 which wouldn't know anything about a DVD+R but DOES read DVD-Video burnt to a DVD+R that was booktyped to a DVD-ROM. Some DVD burners automatically booktype to DVD-ROM but most don't unless you use something like Nero CD-DVD Speed (in the options) or download a dedicated program from the burner manufacturers' website.

    Also, a number of DVD-ROMs during that transition period can have their firmware upgraded to properly read DVD+R. If not, then booktyping is always an option to make it compatible.

    The fact that people are burning SSBM on DVD+R DL should be proof enough that it supports DVD+R and that the issues are probably bad burns, cheap media or lack of booktyping. If you even check on the TeamCyclops forums (the people who make Cyclowiz), it has a post discussing it and even saying to use good Verbatim DVD+RDL and BOOKTYPE it. How to burn Super Smash Bros Brawl DVD9 Backup, and lens tweaking (if necessary) - Team Cyclops Forums

    The fact that most mod chips even go out of their way to indicate that they support DVD+R should be proof that it "works" with DVD+R. The question is whether your burner likes the media, actually sets the booktype, and whether the Wii drive has a hard time reading it because of excessive DREs or not.

    @Wiiwouldliketohack: Compatibility has nothing to do with "burning out your laser". Just because "a friend tested it" doesn't mean any meaningful data, ex: comparing ABC brand generic 8x DVD+R which his burner doesn't like and generates lots of DREs and almost coasters every time with premium type Verbatim DVD-R which his drive loves and has absolutely no problem reading back with a very DRE count. Sure, I could do "research" and rig the results so that they suit my opinion.

    But here's a real-life example: I have a "lot" of friends who used to burn their 16x CDs for audio and data CDs at 16x... guess what those audio CDs sounded like in a CD player and how many of those data CDs aren't readable anymore... compared to the same disks on the same type of burner burnt at 2x or 4x which still sound and read perfectly several years later... does that mean their CD player is bad? Does it mean that the CD reader doesn't like those disks? Does that mean their CDs themselves were bad? That's what they thought initially. But when you look at the working ones, it does make it look like something else (like, burn quality) had something to do with it.

    You can say "it doesn't work, it doesn't like it". But that's not to say there weren't a billion and one other things that could've made it "not like it". And it certainly doesn't substantiate/prove it ruins it.

    I know this one guy who bought a couple of Plextor burners and used them for duplicating DVDs non-stop and totally burnt out all their lasers after 500 disks. Meanwhile, I know bunch of other people who have the exact same burner who have burnt more than 1000 with the same type burner but over a longer period of time. Does this mean the burner is a bad model? That's what he thought. Or maybe because he was exceeding the duty cycle causing it to overheat and prematurely break down?

    Anyway, the point is that the reason you provided is really weak "because my friend researched it". Show me a study or a bunch of test cases of it and then maybe it could be considered plausible. Technically speaking, the two formats are really similar (which is why a firmware update allows use of DVD+R in many cases) and the manufacturing process is practically the same (they did this because DVD-R was dominant at the time and they figured they would have a really hard time swaying other manufacturers to make them if they had to make a lot of changes to their equipment).
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    Quote Originally Posted by LockeOne View Post
    @Chubbs: Umm... just because your 8161 doesn't read the DVD+R disks doesn't mean that the Wii can't read them.
    Thanks .. but I didn't say that the LG GDR Drives could NOT read DVD+Rs .. I said it was specifically not MADE to read them. You can stick used french fry oil in a diesel engine .. it'll still run .. but doesn't mean it was made to use it.

    As far as the rest of the post .. you are correct that you can use any type of DVD recordable media .. as long as it's a good quality (good dye .. preferably organic .. and high reflectivity) .. but to the general masses .. that don't know everything on burning .. book-typing .. modding .. why not keep it as simple as possible with the fewest steps?

    This is a large community of both professionals and newbies alike. So if your post was made to prove a point .. you certainly did that .. and we all know now, how informed you are about DVD burning.

    But think about it .. exactly what is a newbie going to get from it?
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    hey thanks a bunch that is what i needed to know thanks LockeOne

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    any one know when the new wad manager will come out like a guess to when it well fix the resent stupid update that did nothing on my cousin expect block stuff t hanks my email is brando2671@aol.com if anyone know anything email or leaver here
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    Ok my friend tested them and compared and dvd-r's don't deteriate the laser as fast. Almost like the DvD affect

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    Reading Dvd's will set the laser off faster, as will dvd+r's

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    Quote Originally Posted by LockeOne View Post
    Technically speaking, the two formats are really similar (which is why a firmware update allows use of DVD+R in many cases) and the manufacturing process is practically the same (they did this because DVD-R was dominant at the time and they figured they would have a really hard time swaying other manufacturers to make them if they had to make a lot of changes to their equipment).
    As far as firmware updates .. now you're talking about DVD Drives .. not Game Consoles.

    I just wanted to add .. that game consoles (PS2/PS3/XBOX/XBOX360/Wii) have NO reason to be compatible with DVD+R. They all use proprietary DVD-ROMs .. and if any normal user was to stick any kind of DVD media in (other than a game) .. it would be a DVD Video. What's the closest format to DVD-Video and DVD-ROM? .. yes .. DVD-R.

    Everyone should understand the difference between, "What you CAN do" .. and "What you SHOULD do".
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    Thank you Chubbs for laying it all out . I guess my statement didn't really make it clear

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