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    Question Weird 4.1u "Health and Safety" Brick- Stumped! (tried mailbox fix + NAND format)

    So I've searched seemingly endlessly to see if someone else had encountered this problem, and, it seems people have had similar issues, but none of the fixes they used seem to work for me.

    Background: Friend installed HBC initially over a year ago. Didn't use it that often, eventually (stupidly) updated from Nintendo (to 4.1u, I think) so I could play Mario Bros./Sports Resort/Mario Galaxy 2. So that removed HBC, and I figured I was A-OK. A few months later, I was getting the "Health and Safety Screen" brick... managed to get around it consistently with Maintenance mode, which was adequate until the system menu started freezing up a few seconds after boot (most times).

    Since I didn't understand anything about wii-hacking at the time, I thought maybe the newest update from Nintendo would solve the problem. Hence I ended up with 4.3u, and at this point probably 75% of the time can boot to system menu with maintenance mode. Then I started seeing issues with the Netflix channel, hanging when using search function, shows/movies not showing up on the queue.

    So at this point I was thinking, I need to figure out what's the issue and either fix it or "virginize" the wii.



    Things I've tried:

    **After the update to 4.3u, tried formatting the system memory through the wii settings menu, but each time it just would hang (frozen hand-cursor) as soon as I initiated the format. It must not have even started, because nothing was any different upon reboot.

    **Ran through Mauifrog's softmod any wii guide (several times) since I was running 4.3u SM. Was able to get bootmii installed as boot2, made a NAND backup, priiloader installed, ios updated etc.

    **Tried det1re's Mailbox fix several times, no effect.

    **Tried NAND formatter MANY times, both pre-mauifrog's guide and post-mauifrog's guide (i.e. immediately after restoring to initial 4.3u SM and after mauifrog's guide on 4.1u SM). I made my custom setting.txt file successfully and had it read it from the SD and not the NAND. Thing is, it always hangs installing one of the wads. Usually the first one (ios17 or ios31), but sometimes it makes it to the "RVL" wads and hangs on one of those instead. Each time this fails, I have a more severe brick where I can't even get the health and safety screen. I can still get into bootmii to do a NAND restore from my backup, and I'm back where I started (although one time, I had trouble even getting into bootmii... only able to after several tries).

    Oh and one time I went outside for ten minutes while the formatter was running, came back and the screen was black so I assumed it had finished successfully and shut down, but when I booted the wii it was still bricked. Since I haven't actually seen it run all the way through, anyone know how long it's supposed to take in general?

    Also I should add that when I do a NAND restore through bootmii, it shows many many "unprocessed blocks" (no "bad blocks" though)... sometimes even as many as 50%... Not sure what the difference between unprocessed and bad is, or if this just means that the formatting didn't change much and bootmii "knows" this and only replaces the missing/altered blocks.

    **Tried different SD cards (sandisk 2gig, sandisk 128mb) formatted in FAT and FAT32

    **Tried re-downloading NAND formatter package (with the wads).

    **Tried putting the wad folder on the SD card separately and first. Even tried putting the wads themselves on one by one.

    ** I'm on a Mac, so I installed "blueharvest" which is program to prevent the OSX from putting these extra "hidden" "fork" files on the FAT-formatted cards. (i.e. the SD card looks exactly like it's supposed to based on the guide). Also installed checksum program for the Mac and confirmed checksums all ok (as it says to do in mauifrog's guide).


    So it would seem to be a banner brick or mailbox brick, in that it boots into maintenance mode usually (although, weirdly, never have seen the "system files corrupt" message), right? I know that this means I'm supposed to try to remove the offending wad file(s), the problem is, I have no idea which wad might've bricked it (also hadn't been installing any wads initially... all the problems started once I did the initial update from Nintendo). Also, I didn't try to install any wads/channels other than the ios wads as part of the various steps in mauifrog's guide. And I would assume going through mauifrog's guide would overwrite any bad wads anyway, is that correct?

    Also, it looks like wiiconnect24 is ON, and I can't turn it off even in wii settings menu because it's not accessible in maintenance mode. I thought perhaps the "ignore standby" priiloader hack would work, but it didn't seem to make a difference (and the orange light would be on half the time when wii is shut down).

    Basically nothing I do seems to get rid of the health+safety screen issue. I can usually get into the system menu with maintenance mode, but the wii is unstable in general, lots of issues with the netflix channel not loading or freezing... can't go "back" to the system menu once I'm in a channel without it hanging. Sometimes it won't boot up for several days at all and then suddenly will work.... After mauifrog's guide, it seemed to be a bit more stable (but still only able to boot with maintenance mode), except that I turned it off and then in the morning it was bricked to the point of no health and safety screen.

    All very annoying-- so my goal at this point is trying to get the wii back to factory-state, and/or fix it if possible. I'd be fine with either result.


    Apologies for the length of the post, I wanted to be as thorough as possible in terms of anticipating questions I might be asked.

    So does anyone have any ideas?? I suspect I've just overlooked something, but perhaps it could be a hardware issue? Thanks in advance for your help.



    Also- Here is my syscheck report (post-following-mauifrog's-softmod-any-wii-guide):

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    Try using this guide, it might fix it: http://www.wiihacks.com/bricked-wii-...tion-here.html
    If that doesn't work, it might be a hardware problem. Also, I'm moving this to the bricked section.
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    Thanks Bliepo. Sorry if the post was in the wrong place... (I figured I should post in newbie section since I'm new to the site and new to modding the wii in general.... I guess i've graduated though, cool. Certainly been learning a lot.)

    I looked at that guide before but hadn't tried it. Will try it and see ASAP!

    Also, I'm beginning to suspect it's a certain "strain" of the mail brick, with the dilemma being I can't format and can't seem to get rid of the stored messages/turn off wiiconnect24. So this is a long shot, but do you think if I send a ton of messages to my wii from an email account or another wii, that it will eventually erase the corrupt message out of the message board (I read it automatically does this when it runs out of space)?? And if so, how many messages would do the trick?

    Also a long shot, but does anyone know if it's possible/sensible to call Nintendo's tech support and ask them to clear out my message board account (I assume it's accessible to them on a server or something)? Or maybe "cancel" it alltogether?

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    I don't know whether sending loads of mails would do the trick, but I don't think it will. I also don't think Nintendo will be of much help. I think your best chance probably is using the guide I mentioned.
    If that doesn't work, maybe someone else here will come with a solution. I have one solution in mind, but I won't post it yet, it would be 'too heavy'. Only if nobody knows another solution, I will post it.
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    Your "too heavy" solution sounds mysterious

    So I went through the guide you suggested and initially I was unable to install the ios60 and system menu wads due to a "ret -1035" install error for both wads. I did a quick search on that and the easiest solution looked like using IOS236 instead of IOS36 to install (where wad manager allows you to choose), which I did. The wads both installed successfully, but, I still had the same problem with the health and safety screen. I wasn't sure if using 236 instead of 36 was a problem... but it installed right away with 236. (i.e. hopefully I didn't just screw myself)


    The guide said to press home to restart, let it restart, and then turn it back off and remove the sd card and THEN turn it on again and it will be unbricked. When it restarted for me, the health and safety screen came up but I still had to use + and - for maintenance mode on that first reboot (I even tried doing it again and pressing A instead... froze up like it usually does with the letters half-faded into the background).


    I posted this as a separate question, but what do you think about modifying the det1re mailbox fix to basically delete (instead of replace) the files in the /wc24/ and /wc24/mbox ? Am I correct in thinking that that's where a potentially corrupt message would be lurking? (If indeed that is what my problem is?) Maybe replace with files that are "normal" and not supposed to make the wii restore the message board? Is this anywhere near safe to do?


    Oh and I had a friend send a bunch of photos/messages to my wii from theirs, just in case.... hasn't changed anything (so far heheh)

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    Update: On a whim I tried running the nand formatter again.... this time it actually completed without hanging on any of the wads. Bad news is this did not fix anything, resulted in a black screen. I tried again having it read the setting.txt file from the nand rather than the sd: same result.

    Thought it was interesting/curious that I could actually get through the process now though after following Shadowsonic's guide. I'm going to restore from nand backup now and go through the guide again... I'm thinking maybe if the nand formatter was "successful" (or at least made it all the way through), the format system menu from wii settings might work now.

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    If you can get to the health and safety screen when restoring your nand, but cant after using the formatter - its not completing correctly.

    If you can get into the health and safety screen, you should at least be able to get that far after formatting... are you giving it enough time to turn on? after a format it takes quite a few seconds longer to show the country select screen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad_Ad84 View Post
    If you can get to the health and safety screen when restoring your nand, but cant after using the formatter - its not completing correctly.

    If you can get into the health and safety screen, you should at least be able to get that far after formatting... are you giving it enough time to turn on? after a format it takes quite a few seconds longer to show the country select screen
    Thanks for the suggestion..... Does "quite a few seconds," mean literally seconds? Or are we talking maybe minutes? I tried leaving it for several minutes (like, probably 5+) but it never changed from the black screen (and the power light was green the whole time). As I said, this was the first time I managed to actually get to the "All Done" with all the wads installing.

    What's the maximum amount of time it could take to fully reboot? I'll try it again and just leave it up for a few hours or something.

    (Also, tried the wii settings format function again.... still didn't work)

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    Its about 20 seconds or so.

    Try this:

    ohneswanzenegger - GBAtemp.net


    Basically it uses your nand.bin and keys.bin, deletes all the data but keeps the bad block locations and then creates you a brand new nand.

    you then flash this back to the console in bootmii. You might need a gamecube pad to initiate the restore tho (it complains about nand being from another wii and you have the enter to KONAMI code to continue)

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    Thanks... this sounds promising. I do have a GC controller for entering the KONAMI code. Looks like since I'm on a Mac, I'll have to compile it from the source code.... something I'm not exactly familiar with-- But I'm sure I can figure it out... more learning!

    Just out of curiosity, what does it mean to "keep the bad block locations." Do you mean it keeps track of where bad blocks are in order to replace them.... or... is there some reason to preserve them? (When doing my backups/restores of my nand, it never listed any blocks as "bad," just "unprocessed").

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